The question Are there any references to giants named Nephilim (such as Goliath) in the Bible? led to the following discussion after a certain Mike Godden replied
Goliath wasn’t big enough to be a Nephilim, besides they were wiped out years earlier by the flood.
The bible says of the Nephilim, ‘They were the heroes of old, men of renown’. Possibly even Zeus, Odin, Thor etc, but i’m not sure
I, Ken Ammi, replied
I’m unsure how you can assert “Goliath wasn’t big enough to be a Nephilim” since we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim in the first place. But yes, the fact that Nephilim “were wiped out years earlier by the flood” discredits 100% of pop-Nephilologists.
I’ve written whole books debunking them such as, “Nephilim and Giants: Believe It or Not!: Ancient and Neo-Theo-Sci-Fi Tall Tales.”
Also, “Nephilim and Giants as per Pop-Researchers: A Comprehensive Consideration of the claims of I.D.E. Thomas, Chuck Missler, Dante Fortson, Derek Gilbert, Brian Godawa, Patrick Heron, Thomas Horn, Ken Johnson, L.A. Marzulli, Josh Peck, CK Quarterman, Steve Quayle, Rob Skiba, Gary Wayne, Jim Wilhelmsen, et al.”
https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B071NW4F4W/allbooks
Mike Godden
thank you for your input, I need to be careful I don’t stray from the Scriptures & to remember that the answers & Glory belong to Jehovah. The Nephilim were giant bullies, tyrants who filled the earth with violence. (Genesis 6:13)
We know Goliath was over 9 feet, but that’s only a few inches taller than the tallest recorded man in history, Robert Wadlow of the United States (1918–1940), at (8 ft 11 in). We have women at 8 foot. The Nephilim had to be real Giants, not just acromegaly cases, they could kill any man, whereas Goliath was killed by a shepherd boy, although a sling is a powerful & accurate weapon
Ken Ammi
Friend, I’m unsure what you mean by “Nephilim were giant…Nephilim had to be real Giants” since I already noted, “we’ve no reliable physical description of Nephilim” so I must ask these key questions:
What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles?
What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”?
Do those two usages agree?
As for, “We know Goliath was over 9 feet” well, the Masoretic text has him at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft.–compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.
Mike Godden
simply put, they were a race of real giants, not odd individuals like Goliath & others since who were mutants, please look up acromegay (giantism)
Ken Ammi
Fascinatingly, I’ve asked those key questions to dozens and dozens (and dozens [and dozens]) of people who go on and on (and on [and on]) about “giants” and literally zero have replied.
Now, since I asked what you mean by “giants” to as to understand you better but you didn’t reply, when you double down by referring to “real giants” I still don’t know what you mean.
So, what “race” and what “real giants” and there’s zero indication that “Goliath & others…were mutants.”
Mike Godden
Goliath & the others I mentioned are one offs, not a giant nation like the Nephilim – Acromegaly???
Take no notice of me & do your own research
Ken Ammi
Friend, I asked to what you’re referring by “giants” so as to understand you but you refused to elucidate so now, when you double down on using that term, it’s the opposite of helpful.
As for, “do your own research” well, I’ve familiarized myself with over two millennia worth of relevant data with which I published some dozen Nephilology related books so, what am I missing?
That brought the discussion to and end as no more replies were forthcoming.
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